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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://goatrevolution.com/blog2/2006/09/27/who-let-the-dogs-out/comment-page-1/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Marla, you&#039;re right--there&#039;s plenty of guilt, too, I&#039;m sure.  I think there&#039;s both innocence, born of ignorance, and guilt, and lots more guilt at the top.  Test of character, to be sure.

If you got to the other blog, you know that Debbie&#039;s biopsy came back benign!  Phew!

I&#039;ll be interested to see how my son deals with the temptations of the system.  He said to me about 3 months ago--his low point, he was quite depressed--&quot;I have two choices.  I can either sell my soul to the Devil, or go crazy.&quot;  I told him that as his mother I felt neither of those alternatives were acceptable and he&#039;d simply have to find a third.

Thanks so much for your prayers. TTFN Andrea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Marla, you&#8217;re right&#8211;there&#8217;s plenty of guilt, too, I&#8217;m sure.  I think there&#8217;s both innocence, born of ignorance, and guilt, and lots more guilt at the top.  Test of character, to be sure.</p>
<p>If you got to the other blog, you know that Debbie&#8217;s biopsy came back benign!  Phew!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be interested to see how my son deals with the temptations of the system.  He said to me about 3 months ago&#8211;his low point, he was quite depressed&#8211;&#8221;I have two choices.  I can either sell my soul to the Devil, or go crazy.&#8221;  I told him that as his mother I felt neither of those alternatives were acceptable and he&#8217;d simply have to find a third.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your prayers. TTFN Andrea</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://goatrevolution.com/blog2/2006/09/27/who-let-the-dogs-out/comment-page-1/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Andrea, I think you have a point about being able to see from the &quot;outside.&quot;  That definitely makes it easier to be more objective.  However, I&#039;m not so sure I&#039;d go so far as to say that those guys who are reaming us are innocent.  Sure they may have been innocent at one point, but along the line, as they climb up the ladder, they have to be exposed to what they&#039;re really doing.  And that&#039;s where I think they lose their innocence.  As Lorraine Day, M.D. mentions in one of her videos, she was told as a doctor from another doctor who was her superior, &quot;Every doctor will have to compromise their values at one point.&quot;  It&#039;s when they&#039;re confronted with that is where they make their choice to either change their course or to stay the course.  Some people&#039;s consciences get seared to where they can no longer discern what&#039;s morally right and wrong, while other people just go through life suffering the consequences, and yet still others who get out of it, like Lorraine Day did.  Kevin Trudeau writes in his book about millionaires who are so greedy that they continue to break the law, risking jail time, for more money.  Cripes, they&#039;re already millionaires, but they want more.  On page 20 of his book, Trudeau writes:

&quot;I&#039;ve been in boardrooms.  I&#039;ve listened to these people.  I&#039;ve heard CEOs of major pharmaceutical companies say things such as this: &#039;I don&#039;t care how much liver damage this drug causes, get it approved by the FDA.  Pay whoever you have to pay, get the lobbyists that you have to get, but just get this drug approved.  Do it, and our stock price goes up threefold.  We sell our stock and move on.  And five years from now, when they find out about the liver damage, they&#039;ll take the drug off the market.  But who cares, we&#039;ll have our money.  Just do it.&#039;  That is why I am mad as hell, and I am not going to take it anymore.&quot;

These kinds of people know what they&#039;re doing.  I wouldn&#039;t say these kinds of people are innocent.  It seems, the higher up they go, the less innocent they become because the higher up they go, the more information and understanding of the inner workings of the company are exposed to them.  There&#039;s no way they can not know it.  It&#039;s the little guy, like the scientist who is funded by them who can remain innocent, yet they sometimes become corrupt for other reasons like vying for the nobel prize or other merits of recognition.  And yes, money is likely involved too because they have to please those who are funding their research.  It&#039;s a major test of character, and I&#039;m glad I not in it.

You&#039;re just too kind, Andrea!

Marla

P.S.  How did Debbie&#039;s biopsy go?  When will they have the results?  I&#039;m still praying for her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Andrea, I think you have a point about being able to see from the &#8220;outside.&#8221;  That definitely makes it easier to be more objective.  However, I&#8217;m not so sure I&#8217;d go so far as to say that those guys who are reaming us are innocent.  Sure they may have been innocent at one point, but along the line, as they climb up the ladder, they have to be exposed to what they&#8217;re really doing.  And that&#8217;s where I think they lose their innocence.  As Lorraine Day, M.D. mentions in one of her videos, she was told as a doctor from another doctor who was her superior, &#8220;Every doctor will have to compromise their values at one point.&#8221;  It&#8217;s when they&#8217;re confronted with that is where they make their choice to either change their course or to stay the course.  Some people&#8217;s consciences get seared to where they can no longer discern what&#8217;s morally right and wrong, while other people just go through life suffering the consequences, and yet still others who get out of it, like Lorraine Day did.  Kevin Trudeau writes in his book about millionaires who are so greedy that they continue to break the law, risking jail time, for more money.  Cripes, they&#8217;re already millionaires, but they want more.  On page 20 of his book, Trudeau writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve been in boardrooms.  I&#8217;ve listened to these people.  I&#8217;ve heard CEOs of major pharmaceutical companies say things such as this: &#8216;I don&#8217;t care how much liver damage this drug causes, get it approved by the FDA.  Pay whoever you have to pay, get the lobbyists that you have to get, but just get this drug approved.  Do it, and our stock price goes up threefold.  We sell our stock and move on.  And five years from now, when they find out about the liver damage, they&#8217;ll take the drug off the market.  But who cares, we&#8217;ll have our money.  Just do it.&#8217;  That is why I am mad as hell, and I am not going to take it anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>These kinds of people know what they&#8217;re doing.  I wouldn&#8217;t say these kinds of people are innocent.  It seems, the higher up they go, the less innocent they become because the higher up they go, the more information and understanding of the inner workings of the company are exposed to them.  There&#8217;s no way they can not know it.  It&#8217;s the little guy, like the scientist who is funded by them who can remain innocent, yet they sometimes become corrupt for other reasons like vying for the nobel prize or other merits of recognition.  And yes, money is likely involved too because they have to please those who are funding their research.  It&#8217;s a major test of character, and I&#8217;m glad I not in it.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re just too kind, Andrea!</p>
<p>Marla</p>
<p>P.S.  How did Debbie&#8217;s biopsy go?  When will they have the results?  I&#8217;m still praying for her!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, there are definitely honest scientists out there.  I remember one touching TV program about a guy looking for a cure for juvenile diabetes.  His daughter had it.  There was no mistaking his sincerity.  And I think you&#039;re right, many of them are simply stopped from communicating what they&#039;ve learned.

And I agree about it&#039;s being  complicated.  There&#039;s a lot of propaganda about what&#039;s quackery and what&#039;s not, and I think that many otherwise reputable scientists and doctors believe the propaganda, and I think probably many of the propagandists believe their own propaganda!  Certainly I as a young woman believed a lot of medical propaganda, until facts asserted themselves over and over and I could no longer deny what I was seeing.

I really didn&#039;t want to believe it.  I really wanted to believe in the status quo.
But at a certain point, I just couldn&#039;t any more.

People like Trudeau can stand back and see the big picture and say, Guess what?  The way this looks from here, all the &quot;information&quot; is slanted toward these big companies making a bundle.  He can see that at least in part because he&#039;s not in it anymore.

But the scientists and the salesmen and maybe even some of the CEOs and the doctors, they&#039;re in it.  They ARE it, so they can&#039;t see it.  What I&#039;m trying to say is that I think it&#039;s likely they&#039;re really innocent in a way, just ignorant of the big system that they&#039;re a part of and how it manipulates them, too.

And we, the patients, have that perspective too.  We&#039;re not dependent on the medical business for our living, and that helps a lot.  We&#039;ve been to a lot of docs, we&#039;ve heard a lot of stories, and a picture begins to form in our mind--Hey wait a minute!  This isn&#039;t healing!  This is money!

We are really fortunate to be able to step out of the system and get a more accurate picture of what is really going on.


Well, gotta go, Andrea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, there are definitely honest scientists out there.  I remember one touching TV program about a guy looking for a cure for juvenile diabetes.  His daughter had it.  There was no mistaking his sincerity.  And I think you&#8217;re right, many of them are simply stopped from communicating what they&#8217;ve learned.</p>
<p>And I agree about it&#8217;s being  complicated.  There&#8217;s a lot of propaganda about what&#8217;s quackery and what&#8217;s not, and I think that many otherwise reputable scientists and doctors believe the propaganda, and I think probably many of the propagandists believe their own propaganda!  Certainly I as a young woman believed a lot of medical propaganda, until facts asserted themselves over and over and I could no longer deny what I was seeing.</p>
<p>I really didn&#8217;t want to believe it.  I really wanted to believe in the status quo.<br />
But at a certain point, I just couldn&#8217;t any more.</p>
<p>People like Trudeau can stand back and see the big picture and say, Guess what?  The way this looks from here, all the &#8220;information&#8221; is slanted toward these big companies making a bundle.  He can see that at least in part because he&#8217;s not in it anymore.</p>
<p>But the scientists and the salesmen and maybe even some of the CEOs and the doctors, they&#8217;re in it.  They ARE it, so they can&#8217;t see it.  What I&#8217;m trying to say is that I think it&#8217;s likely they&#8217;re really innocent in a way, just ignorant of the big system that they&#8217;re a part of and how it manipulates them, too.</p>
<p>And we, the patients, have that perspective too.  We&#8217;re not dependent on the medical business for our living, and that helps a lot.  We&#8217;ve been to a lot of docs, we&#8217;ve heard a lot of stories, and a picture begins to form in our mind&#8211;Hey wait a minute!  This isn&#8217;t healing!  This is money!</p>
<p>We are really fortunate to be able to step out of the system and get a more accurate picture of what is really going on.</p>
<p>Well, gotta go, Andrea</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://goatrevolution.com/blog2/2006/09/27/who-let-the-dogs-out/comment-page-1/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andrea:

I&#039;m like you, I&#039;ve never had the opportunity to be tempted, so who knows how I would behave!  Luxuries are nice to have, I won&#039;t deny.

So far I haven&#039;t read anything in Trudeau&#039;s book that looks bad to me!  That is, I don&#039;t feel he deserves to be called a quack.  I don&#039;t see him promoting some new invention or a new technique.  He doesn&#039;t appear to be claiming to be a doctor or anything, but rather just sharing a bunch of things that are commonly believed healthful amongst already existing alternative groups.  Concepts he lists about detox and nutritional deficiencies are nothing new.  I like his list of recommended books.  I&#039;ve read a lot of them already, but he lists a lot more that I haven&#039;t read.  I hope to check out some of them soon.

I have read in many places about the corruption of the pharmaceutical companies, but Trudeau goes even further to &quot;link&quot; the pharmaceutical companies to the food industries, the media, and government even.  He wrote about insider trading info that government officals are entitled to that we average people don&#039;t get.   I found a website that shows who are the CEOs for various large corporations, and it also shows other corporations that they manage.  And you&#039;ll be surprised to find that some pharamceutical companies are linked to other companies like Coca cola and Pepsi as well as some banks.  So it&#039;s no surprise that small individuals who try to make changes get squashed because so many things are tied in together.

Now, I would like to qualify this in that I do think there are some scientists who honestly are looking for some cures.  But I don&#039;t think that the scientists are able to promote things that they find beneficial &quot;IF&quot; it doesn&#039;t follow big pharma&#039;s agenda.  Take the laetrile thing with Kanematsu Sugiura of Memorial Sloan Kettering.  Ralph Moss wrote that part of the problem &quot;might&quot; have had something to do with the fiasco of the &quot;patchwork mouse&quot; in addition to not really wanting to find a cure for cancer.  During the same time the laetrile story was coming out, William Summerlin had just gotten &quot;caught&quot; for fabricating a false claim that skin could be grafted without rejection so long as the skin was soaked in some &quot;special&quot; solution.&quot;   He took some mice with spots and some without and transferred/grafted skin--supposedly. . . What was found was that he used a &quot;magic marker&quot; to put dots on the skin of the mice making it look like he successfully transplanted tissue without rejection.  Oye!  Anyway, since that fiasco made a  big embarrassment for MSK, they may not have wanted to &quot;risk&quot; another fiasco with the laetrile.  So, laetrile got a double suppression treatment, even though Sugiura was a good scientist who carefully documented his work.  The idea was that they weren&#039;t really interested in a cancer cure AND they wanted to save face.  So the story goes. . . I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a lot more complicated than that, but the bottom line is some scientist are honest and looking for cures, but are not able to pass their discoveries on beyond a certain point.  

Anyway, gotta run!  

Marla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrea:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m like you, I&#8217;ve never had the opportunity to be tempted, so who knows how I would behave!  Luxuries are nice to have, I won&#8217;t deny.</p>
<p>So far I haven&#8217;t read anything in Trudeau&#8217;s book that looks bad to me!  That is, I don&#8217;t feel he deserves to be called a quack.  I don&#8217;t see him promoting some new invention or a new technique.  He doesn&#8217;t appear to be claiming to be a doctor or anything, but rather just sharing a bunch of things that are commonly believed healthful amongst already existing alternative groups.  Concepts he lists about detox and nutritional deficiencies are nothing new.  I like his list of recommended books.  I&#8217;ve read a lot of them already, but he lists a lot more that I haven&#8217;t read.  I hope to check out some of them soon.</p>
<p>I have read in many places about the corruption of the pharmaceutical companies, but Trudeau goes even further to &#8220;link&#8221; the pharmaceutical companies to the food industries, the media, and government even.  He wrote about insider trading info that government officals are entitled to that we average people don&#8217;t get.   I found a website that shows who are the CEOs for various large corporations, and it also shows other corporations that they manage.  And you&#8217;ll be surprised to find that some pharamceutical companies are linked to other companies like Coca cola and Pepsi as well as some banks.  So it&#8217;s no surprise that small individuals who try to make changes get squashed because so many things are tied in together.</p>
<p>Now, I would like to qualify this in that I do think there are some scientists who honestly are looking for some cures.  But I don&#8217;t think that the scientists are able to promote things that they find beneficial &#8220;IF&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t follow big pharma&#8217;s agenda.  Take the laetrile thing with Kanematsu Sugiura of Memorial Sloan Kettering.  Ralph Moss wrote that part of the problem &#8220;might&#8221; have had something to do with the fiasco of the &#8220;patchwork mouse&#8221; in addition to not really wanting to find a cure for cancer.  During the same time the laetrile story was coming out, William Summerlin had just gotten &#8220;caught&#8221; for fabricating a false claim that skin could be grafted without rejection so long as the skin was soaked in some &#8220;special&#8221; solution.&#8221;   He took some mice with spots and some without and transferred/grafted skin&#8211;supposedly. . . What was found was that he used a &#8220;magic marker&#8221; to put dots on the skin of the mice making it look like he successfully transplanted tissue without rejection.  Oye!  Anyway, since that fiasco made a  big embarrassment for MSK, they may not have wanted to &#8220;risk&#8221; another fiasco with the laetrile.  So, laetrile got a double suppression treatment, even though Sugiura was a good scientist who carefully documented his work.  The idea was that they weren&#8217;t really interested in a cancer cure AND they wanted to save face.  So the story goes. . . I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a lot more complicated than that, but the bottom line is some scientist are honest and looking for cures, but are not able to pass their discoveries on beyond a certain point.  </p>
<p>Anyway, gotta run!  </p>
<p>Marla</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oye vey is right.  What a racket, hey?  Like my son said (and thanks so much for your prayers), all you have to do to be diagnosed as depressed is go to a doctor and say, &quot;I&#039;m depressed.&quot;  So the obvious job of the drug companies is to convince as many people as possible that they&#039;re depressed.

And of course Trudeau would be smeared.  Anyone who challenges greed and power will be smeared.  Jesus, for example.  

Greed and power are such temptations!  Anyone out there got young adult kids yet?  Wow, they really struggle with that temptation.  You can see it in their eyes, hear it in their conversations.  Thing is, I remember this temptation from my own youth.  How I envied wealth and power, and how I wanted it for myself!  Fortunately no really tempting opportunities came my way, maybe I would have caved, who knows?

It breaks my heart to see little normal kids diagnosed with all these initials and given drugs.  A darling 10yo just started singing in the choir in church--his mom is utterly convinced he&#039;s ADD, and he picked up the music faster than most adults!   There is absolutely nothing wrong with this young man&#039;s focus.  But anyway, he&#039;s helping line the pockets of the big pharmas.   

Oh well, time for bed.  Nothing to do but keep telling the truth.  

Cheers, Andrea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oye vey is right.  What a racket, hey?  Like my son said (and thanks so much for your prayers), all you have to do to be diagnosed as depressed is go to a doctor and say, &#8220;I&#8217;m depressed.&#8221;  So the obvious job of the drug companies is to convince as many people as possible that they&#8217;re depressed.</p>
<p>And of course Trudeau would be smeared.  Anyone who challenges greed and power will be smeared.  Jesus, for example.  </p>
<p>Greed and power are such temptations!  Anyone out there got young adult kids yet?  Wow, they really struggle with that temptation.  You can see it in their eyes, hear it in their conversations.  Thing is, I remember this temptation from my own youth.  How I envied wealth and power, and how I wanted it for myself!  Fortunately no really tempting opportunities came my way, maybe I would have caved, who knows?</p>
<p>It breaks my heart to see little normal kids diagnosed with all these initials and given drugs.  A darling 10yo just started singing in the choir in church&#8211;his mom is utterly convinced he&#8217;s ADD, and he picked up the music faster than most adults!   There is absolutely nothing wrong with this young man&#8217;s focus.  But anyway, he&#8217;s helping line the pockets of the big pharmas.   </p>
<p>Oh well, time for bed.  Nothing to do but keep telling the truth.  </p>
<p>Cheers, Andrea</p>
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